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Victory Lane
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Two things I immediately thought of that are why out in left field.
1) Why does the LA cars only have 1 code on the trim tag even with different optioned cars and Norwood cars have at least 5 different codes ?.....Is possible, even though Ive never seen/heard other LA pacers with different codes?
2) Is it possible the of paint codes 1001AA through 1001HA is pricing increments. Example:1001AA is $00.00,1001BA is $25.00 up to 1001HA is $125 etc. This didn't pan out exactly.
 
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My POP just has a 1 in the position.. The position correlates to where the top color is.. in my case white top. The other section is blank....blank because of special color I would presume... not a super buffed Ermine white...agree? confused


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Mike and Mike.. agreed it is odd that fleet codes can have cars with varied options.. not necessarily my definition of fleet.. more like " group order " or special single volume purchase..

We are the "SO" part of F & SO


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If you look at the first batch 03C Norwood cars built with Special Order 050A that we have on our registry they are identical option wise. All SS/RS 350 powerglide, QK axle, HD cooling, clutch fan, all clear non-tinted glass (so we could see the celebrities?), deluxe seat belts, etc. The cowl tags are all the same sans the middle ones not having the full code just the dash. But the 061A cars are all over the place. Big blocks, small blocks, autos and manuals, some with tinted windshields, some with power tops, etc., etc. Like I say wouldn't it be incredible to lay eyes on the 050A, 050B, 061A, 062A, etc. special orders. Also wonder who/how they decided the option content of the later cars. Obviously they must have decided that with so many cars they should showcase what other options were available on them with some.

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I think I remember one of the CDN sold pacers having a different paint code. Think it was HA instead of AA. Car is currently in Florida. Unsure why some of the batch had AA and the odd one HA.
 
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You know it's been a while since I've gone over the FAQ's on this site. Good review, mentions that "Brass Hat" group cars as having the most options variations while other groups were near identical. Off-topic but I noticed a tid-bit that I'd not paid mind to before on the FAQ #4 "How many pace cars were used at Indy in 67."

http://www.camaropacecars.com/...aro_indianapolis.htm

"Mr. John Hail of Campbell Ewald, Detroit (a marketing/advertising firm)will work with the decal supplier and be responsible for affixing the proper decals to the various vehicles."
So if some outside guy worked with the decal firm and not a Chevrolet person I guess that explains why no Chevrolet part number was ever created for the decals, correct?

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I spoke to Mattson years ago with respect to the IPC's and SP... General context info was provided - nothing beyond that.


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Right you are Mike!


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Assuming correct this would end the " stickers in the trunk " rumor.. But how decals got onto the cars in California like Sappys .. thats still a mystery...to me


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Dealer decal order through the zone where the decals originated at Campbell Ewald perhaps?


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Can't help but think that it is spelled out on F $ SO #L181A. Wonder what a F & SO order looked like. Must have had more/different type info than a body broadcast sheet had.

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I think if you were to frame the discussion around the Herb Leitz recounting of the production issues surrounding the application of the bumble bee stripe then an exploration of why the F&SO designation was critical and a special paint process was needed to get everything to match up... .

My theory...Cars were painted off line at first (entirely) and later (04A) painted in plant but the stripe was applied entirely in repair to be sure it matched for fit and reflow gloss shine.

The hobby has always made the connection that the (-) indicated a deletion, so this seems to fit.

For those of you with the book see pages 111-112.


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Yes . all makes sense Phil. One note though.. If paint off line ,may well have been reserved for 03C because my 04A has the blue stripe wrapping deep into the seem ( painted apart then bolted together ). Unless assembly wasn't complete when it landed in AGR


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Leitz said the stripe fixture was ready in the spring.

Perhaps did they put a Q/A process in place for the front stripes to assure alignment and finish quality that would designated by the (-) that would then delete the normal stripe paint processes?


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This is just a note to Tom's (rumor) about decals in the trunk. To assume that my sister was correct in that the decals were rolled up and in the trunk at the showroom. does not dictate how they got there in the first place. Presuming they were shipped w/ the car from L.A.
However: Could they have been sent at a later time as part of a special dealer order? C.O.P.O. Special paint? I think they were experimenting with acrylic paint, as it was this time a lot of different chemicals were being formulated for auto's.... thiknk about it 1st enamels then laquers then acrylics, then solids and clearcoating... now we are into epoxies... and Water!!!
Whats in your wallet $450+/- a gallon
 
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