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<Pat Railsback>
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Wow, these June built Canadian cars have gone from late bloomer Indianapolis Pace Cars to Canadian Grand Prix Festival cars. I'll bet some owners are going to be happy campers they own such unique and limited examples of this event!

So, this might explain why these cars carried the special paint 0-1 codes then? A special bright white paint to set off the door decals applied for the event.

Time to wrap our minds around the fact that all our cars are "Indy" pace cars. Not because of the Indianapolis 500 but because GM built the cars for "indy" style racing events in 1967! Wow Cool
 
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What a way to start out the new year, Steve! Just amazing! Perhaps 2008 will be a year of discovery for all who visit The Pace Car Trust! It will be nice to see some close-up photos of these Canadian cars. They are out there somewhere, for sure. I wonder if there is a list of participants in the parade? Does Mosport have a museum? Andy
 
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Wow.. I remember the John Player Specials.. It welled up in my mind when you said it!


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Gorgeous and if I'm not mistaken: same color combo as that Black Panther?


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Or even 15 years!!!!

Tried to avoid that issue, but did give a parameter that centered it right in the middle. Big Grin Wink
 
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Does Mosport have a museum?

No museum or archives. Frowner From what I can see, looks like it has probably suffered through some tough economic setbacks the last 40 years. Sadly, when you are fighting dollars, the last thing you worry about is the past.
 
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Pat.. good alternate thinking.. " Indy Style "


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Guys,

I wouldn't necessarily "limit" ALL of these Canadian Cars to just Indy (or Grand Prix) on August 27th just yet.... The one in the Sept. 9th newspaper article with 652 miles.... yes, I'd agree it was solely used in the Mosport Grand Prix/Indy Race and its festivities... But what about the other 20+ cars?

That was probably their main use and I agree that Players (and possibly tied in with the Canadian Centenial somehow) were the main funder(s) to this event, but there was lots more racing going on at Mosport and Canada back in the Summer and Fall of 67 (Indy/Grand Prix, Can-Am, and 3 other series I believe and we also have the Expo 67 event!

Looks like the Cherokee was indeed used in the Mosport Can-Am race which is what I talked to Tony about and elluded to on here earlier.

I bet there's more then just the 22 Players Canadian Grand Prix Pacers (10RS car's, 12 RS/SS cars), and 1-2 Cherokee Can-Am pacers?

Just like the Indy 500, there would most likely have been support vehicles from GM, the Track, and the various staff....

I'm 100% sure the Can-AM Cherokee(s), sporting those hellacious 427 injection systems had GM "US" powertrain and GM racing gurus keeping eyes on it....

So Steve,

Please give us a recap of what you believe the RS cars and RS/SS cars were sporting for door decals! There different, correct?

Steve... again, awesome job!!!!
 
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It will be nice to see some close-up photos of these Canadian cars.


According to the new find today, maybe very shortly....And very very good... Big Grin Wink
 
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Here's the 1967 Can-Am Challenge Cup schedule where I'm thinking the Cherokee(s) attended most (if not all) of the races in both the US and Canada....

67 Can-Am Schedule
 
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Looking at the 1967 "Mosport Road Course" Schedule the Indy cars were scheduled to run twin 100's on June 16 and 17th (too early for the Canadian 06C's), but it was postponed based on weather till July 1st. This was sponsored by Telegram Trophy. Did some of the pacers make this delayed race? We need to find out.....

After that they held the USAC Stockcars on July 29th. Sponsored by Bardah/Kawartha.

The race we're talking about (with the Canadian Pacers in the picture) was the Formula One series cars that raced at the Canadian Grand Prix (sponsored by Players) held at Mosport on August 27th, so we're not talking Indy cars...

After that Mosport hosted the Can-AM race on September 23rd, were the Cherokee(s?) were present. This was ALSO sponsored by Players....

So, their just may be a connection and overlap at these events of the Canadian pacers and Cherokee(s)....

Lots left unturned.

Looks like Steve is leading the way for us! I'm excited!!!
 
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And here's the Indy Car Schedule showing the delayed race at Mosport (again I stress it was moved from the weekend of June 16/17 to July 1). Originally too late for the 06C pacers, but they could have made the July 1 race.

1967 Indy Car Schedule

Note, LOTS of races left over for both the US Indy 500 pacers, and the Canadian Pacers...
 
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Rick..all good points...
I like that the BB is for sale soon after with 600 miles on it.. I also ( no insult ) think the entire Canadian "show" was smaller just by virtue of of population etc.. So unlike Indy ( the greatest spectacle in racing) they may have chosen to Wrap up the festivities a tad quicker..

All this of course in just now coming to the surface so lets sit back and enjoy the ride

One thing I know.. If I owned a BB I'd peel the Indy decals off tonight Eeker And if I owned a smallblock I'd be calling the graphics guy first thing in the morning for my GP !

I think I'm close to going on record as saying the AJ's car had nothing to do with this run of cars and that GM yanked a smallblock with AC off the lot and sent it down to the ungrateful SOB...rendering the car in later years unidentifiable Wink


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Tom,

Neat ad from Gorres on page one of this thread. Note the discription about the cars being special built "show cars" by the Factory for the GP.

What they were built to resemble is not in doubt.... they were 0-1 coded reproductions of the 67 IPC commitment and dealer replica's with some minor variations.

I think the end use of the cars is where the what we call them "today" pedigree comes into play.

Looks like wire wheel covers, a different decal, black tail panel and finally the intended use of the car for the GP comes into focus.

Sadly it is going to take us much time to rewrite history on these specific cars. The myth is too deeply set.

The big question is the intent... DID GM build these just because they were doing one more for AJ?? I doubt it. Dealer air was too easy to add, and locating another car would have been far easier.

AJ is still around. Why dosent someone just ask him about the story? Simple enough, then book is closed once and for all.

We have all been Lied to by multiple authors over the years as the myths are carried forward with out any basis in fact.

This pisses me off. So here we are today. Mad


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AJ is still around. Why dosent someone just ask him about the story? Simple enough, then book is closed once and for all.


AJ has been asked a number of times, the latest was this last year when Mike Rudy drove him around in this last year's Festival Parade!
AJ doesn't know anything about the Awarded car or when he received it. Frowner
 
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AJ doesn't know anything about the Awarded car or when he received it.


In the same spirit of Phil's post, has this ever been proven a fact? That AJ did in fact turn down the 67 IPC? Or is this just more myth and fabrications from those Camaro publications that belong in the fiction section at Walgreens. Who actually knows this for fact? Let's try and put a name on it, and ask them about it.
Maybe the same Ford guys that forced the hood and gas cap lock to be put on #92 came up with this story about the Great AJ turning down the 67 IPC.
 
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Who actually knows this for fact?



It's true!

He did leave the Victory Awards dinner in it however!
He left it at the Speedway the next day.
 
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Who actually knows this for fact?



It's true!

He did leave the Victory Awards dinner in it however!
He left it at the Speedway the next day.


But what was he supposed to do with it? He had to get to Milwaukee to practice for the next race, which was now only a couple days away. And the following week (only six days away after Milwaukee, and in France) was the 24 Hours of LeMans, a race that AJ Foyt and Dan Gurney teamed up to win in a surprise victory. LeMans summary

Surely nobody drives their "pace car" home, or to the next race. AJ was super hot at this time with 2 VERY MAJOR victories in 3 weeks. Drivers of this era were much more verasitle than drivers of today. Researching this I have watched films of AJ racing all over the country, and the globe the summer of 67. He was also a great stock car driver. I am sure that by the end of LeMans, AJ really did not care or think of the IPC he had been given for winning at Indy. He was on to the next race, the next quest. For all we know that car was put on a trailer and shipped to Texas. Or Australia (Geoff, you holding out on us Wink) There has to be someone other than AJ that knows what happened to that car. Maybe he does not want to admit having to accept the car that was supplied by Chevrolet. To me, that's a more believeable story than a giant corporation bending to the will of driver from the other side(Ford). IN NO WAY AM I SAYING THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED, just presenting an alternate (and more believeable) possibility. If anyone here had won these 2 major races in 3 weekends, would we have done any celebrating? Maybe lot's of celebrating? Big Grin

Keeping all this in the spirit of this thread, I don't think AJ received another car that was built with the Canadian built cars. Only opinion, one that I would love to be proved wrong about. Right or wrong, at least it would be solved. Let's just continue to break the myths, and expose the truth.
 
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Please give us a recap of what you believe the RS cars and RS/SS cars were sporting for door decals! There different, correct?


Rick,
As far as my opinion and what I believe, I think it's better if this is presented in a format where each member decides for themselves what they are seeing, and how to interpret it. Then they can present their opinion and we can all discuss it. Putting that to the side, from what I see, yes, the small blocks and the big blocks had different script on the sides of the cars.
 
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Steve,

And to add to what you state above, (Just like the IPC built commitment batch) Looks like Small blocks had factory white tail panels with the variation being the CGP commitment built Big Blocks all had factory black painted tail panels.


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OPINION: GM called the Texas zone and said " Find this ball snapper a car from a dealer down there with AC & power top and send it to his house "


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Keeping all this in the spirit of this thread, I don't think AJ received another car that was built with the Canadian built cars.



This is probably still yet another 1992 myth!

The story goes as far as the Zone guys that I spoke with, AJ did in fact receive a "special car". What exactly Chevrolet did is a mystery. I know two different guys that attended the Victory Awards Dinner, to put it lightly, the Chevrolet bunch was not impressed with AJ, nor his comments.
When came time to leave the Banquet, AJ jumped in his Camaro, completed some small talk with the Chevrolet Brass which included some additional complaints about the Camaro and took off towards the exit... right then, a sudden Indiana Spring Shower was called upon by the Chevrolet Gods drenching AJ in his New Camaro.......
The Brass, now making way for cover could see AJ all hunched over in the drivers seat at the exit doing something. At that point he flipped a bitch and headed back to the Chevrolet crowd...
"Hey...How do I get the top up on one these %*$@ Camaro's?" He shouted?? Bill, the Zone guy that helps me today with most of my current questions went over to help him put up the top and to inform him that the car was not equipped with a power!..

They all had a pretty good chuckle about that as you could imagine. AJ or his people did in fact, leave the car at the Speedway the following day.
How Chevrolet dealt with replacing the car, is still a mystery, however, don't under estimate what Chevrolet would do when the light was on them.
Not too long after this, AJ's group first contacted the Chevrolet Brass for his efforts at getting himself his Houston area Chevrolet Dealership, The Chevy Brass remembered quite well what AJ said that day...... Chevrolet Pride ran pretty thick in those days, so when warranted, they reminded his people or him...his comments that day.... but...."Whatever AJ wanted...AJ got back in those days!"
 
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Thanks Steve,

From that one picture of the "RS" 327 car, if I had an 06C 732-Z 0-1 RS (imported into Canada)I'd be working with somoene to duplicate that "GP" logo you showed for at least the passenger door.

Not sure what I'd do yet if I had an Canadian imported RS/SS 0-1 4N (396, 325hp) car? Looks like your on the right track with the Prayer's flag on at least one side...

Again, I want to both Thank you and Congradulate you on all the hard work and for sharing these findings!
 
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Guys,

"Indy Style" is interesting. I think that before we let that Genie out of the bottle we will need to clearly define the new build timeframe for these cars that we know as IPC's, CGP's and still the OTHERS??.

Otherwise any Camaro with a simular option content becomes a "camaro pace car replica" for something... Example, here is a Photo of what I think is one of our kids leading an SCCA T/A event.

IMO...I think matters are complicated if we have a larger "replica style" or intent for build timeframe, as each "look a like" then joins us at the table.Big Grin I see our pesky Black stripe Replica mystery rearing its head-again Smiler


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Anyone notice Stealthy Bill B made this topic its own section?????? Thanks Bill Big Grin


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