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Victory Lane
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TRIVIA QUESTION:

Did you know the rubber bumpers in the console cover are different for 1967 ONLY (#3861640)?

I found that MANY MANY suppliers pass off the '68-'69 bumpers (#3919070) for 1967 also... Found these at Heartbeat City (nowhere else!)

 
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Kinda proud of this...

Starter back in place (finally), with "new" orig. Solenoid #1114356 (and black Delco-Remy cap)

 
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WINDSHIELD back in place (Finally)... it came out earlier when we had to repaint the interior blue

 
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White fabric backing on the windshield air dam... (Tip of the hat to Larry C for consult)

 
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Oh yes... the TRUNK...

I could write several pages on everything we went through. To sum things up:

1) I never really liked the first version from the 2013 paint shop (ZOLOTONE Lillith Gray);
2) Over the winter: We tried 'Take-2' using the 'private mix' Larry C. developed a number of years ago. It's a ZOLOTONE product w/custom pigmentation.
3) There are a LOT of ways to screw this stuff up. And we probably used most of them in combination. Long story. VERY long story...
4) Decided to do 'Take-3' using something completely different...

Photo mashup here shows a couple different looks comparing 'Take-2' (what was left of it, after 2 weeks of sanding) to 'Take-3'.

Larry saw this on a visit to the shop a couple weeks ago. He didn't like it either...

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So... for 'Take-3' we used a product called GURU PAINTS, from Thornton Restorations in mid-state PA.

I ended up doing it twice. The spatter spray requires a lot of finesse and a lot of practice. VERY TOUCHY STUFF and VERY EASY to mess up. They sell it in rattle cans; 2 colors: a dark gray base and aqua spatter spray. A 4-can set is supposed to be enough to do one car. I ordered several extra cans, and at the end we were still cutting things close. Relatively easy to use the gray sort-of like an eraser, to cover 'misfires' with the aqua, then do again. As long as you have enough extra of both colors!

With the first application; bollixed it up at the very end. Had to reorder another whole batch of paint; re-prep the surface, and try again.

The Thornton product lays down a relatively smooth surface (compared to ZOLOTONE, which has a rough, sandpaper-like texture). It was necessary to first prep the surface, removing as much of the ZOLOTONE as possible, in whatever manner possible (strip, scrape, sanding, etc.). This proved to be an arduous and miserable task.

Despite all this; very happy with the (eventual) results... This mashup compares the original finish to the finished version...

 
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I noticed, in some photos Mike Rossi sent me, the presence of sound deadener/insulation in the trunk over the muffler.

There are several discussions of this at CRG; which I found very helpful:

* http://www.camaros.org/forum/i....msg172077#msg172077
* http://www.camaros.org/forum/i....msg172979#msg172979


The vendor they found, is called 'Dead Nuts On'. They specialize in Mustang stuff, but still very very nice to Camaro people...
https://www.deadnutson.com/196...s-tank-underlayment/

This came out great. Some of the measurements are illustrated in the CRG discussion, though I had to make some adaptation for '67 convertible.

 
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The photos leave something to be desired in illustrating the actual 'look'. This is in part due to poor lighting; and also the qualities of the surface itself.

This comes about as close as any, in illustrating the finish:

 
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COMING UP THIS WEEK...
* The HOOD goes back on;
* MILLIONS of little details... Stickers, tags, driveshaft stripes. Trunk mat. Interior trim pieces. Green Fuel line clamps with square ends. T-3 headlights. DELCO dist. cap. Dated plug wires. Lug nuts with diamond pattern. And on & on...
* Mike R.'s FRAME & WIPER stamps. THANKS MIKE (AGAIN)...
* New hoses (Better-quality repros on-order);
* Oh yeah... FIND REGISTRATION CARD & PLATES !! Haven't been needed for... about 10 years?
 
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Charley, can you tell me the white fabric material that you used on the front windshield.
 
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Charley, can you tell me the white fabric material you used on the front windshield.
 
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Looks great.
One question. Did the convertibles use a different position for the trunk sound deadner?
The jack hook to mount the spare is in a different location on a convertible.
 
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David, thanks, and a very interesting question. I puzzled over this too. After researching extensively in the CRG forums, I came to the conclusion the main purpose of the asphalt mat is to provide HEAT insulation from the MUFFLER immediately below, helping to protect the vinyl trunk mat. Sound deadening is (I believe) a secondary benefit.

This theory was discussed at length on the CRG boards (and I don't think they reached agreement). For me the real clincher was (Yet again) more photos from the extensive Rossi gallery of automotive photo art. Mike sent me a bunch of trunk photos, including one from a 04C survivor car, which served as my benchmark model. I'm feeling pretty good about my duplication (right down to the cutout for the Coupe tire hook).

This all having been said; I think on the assembly line the General did not obsess whether it went this way or that. Here are a couple photos at CRG that have it both ways:
* http://www.camaros.org/forum/i...67.msg75683#msg75683
* http://www.camaros.org/forum/i...67.msg75676#msg75676

Also on (formerly) my 06D Coupe it had a mat placed the same way. This goes against the grain of the "muffler" theory, but (again my thinking/opinion) it nicely supports the notion that the General wasn't always consistent.

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With all that now out of the way... I was able to continue with the TRUNK MAT my son got me for XMAS 2 years ago (and carrying around in my car ever since). I relied heavily on Tom's discussion a few years ago (TRUNK MAT); this was a BIG BIG HELP (TOM THANKS (again)).

The Good news is, the trunk mat came out quite nicely. The bad news... It covers up about 80% of all the hard work, blood, sweat, & tears (etc.) that went into the stripping and repainting. AAARRRGGGHH...

 
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Originally posted by Mike Mytro:
Can you tell me the white fabric material you used on the front windshield.

I wish I could share specifics, but still working on it. It was a standard-issue fabric bias tape of some sort, that one might easily find in a hobby or sewing store (as long as one knows what to look for). I think Larry C. brought it in along with the foam tape?

I thought I had a photo of the bias tape, but can't seem to find it. It's not in the shop either. John took it home (I think maybe his wife is using it to sew something)(LOL), I asked him to bring it back in for me...

I can speak a little bit from observing parts of the installation. The combination of the foam tape and the fabric tape, along with the mastic, made a delicate combination when the guys were dropping the glass into the frame. Not sure exactly how they did it, but it took at least 1 failed attempt before they got an install they were happy with. The initial attempt(s?) had to be aborted due to the glue and/or fabric tape getting messed up. Normally the foam tape would adhere to the glass, creating a barrier for the mastic. The fabric breaks the seal, which allows the mastic to squirt into places where it is not wanted...
 
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The fabric breaks the seal, which allows the mastic to squirt into places where it is not wanted...



Exactly. It was a design failure point that was engineered into the vehicle by Fisher Body.

If you have pulled the glass off a 1967 the top dash is always rusted out at the windshield.

Neat story. I talked to a GM engineer to find out why the outer lip of my quarter panel on my 1970 Z-28 was packed with a white foam?

He said "officially it is a sound deadener", but in reality "it was a design trap to hold moisture in order to rot the quarter panel out faster".

So, I decided not do the foam in the quarter panel on the 1970 resto, and since my original dash top was rotted to swiss cheese on the 1967, I skipped the white fabric there too.


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