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Victory Lane
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Charley do you have one of these: https://www.ebay.com/itm/202825720460
 
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Mike, thanks. I got a repop a few months back from Corvette Central, photo a couple pages back at: 396 Dipstick & tube

Seems to me a very nice repro, top end looks good, but I need to double check the lettering?

Almost seems like a glut of these on the market... Ebay link pops-up several "look at me, too" leads (I quit counting at 4).

I recall you saying something about the salmon button, a while back. Never imagined (at that time) these would be offered as used original pieces... go figure

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P.S. (add-on); stay tuned... I'm in a quandry trying to wrap my head around spring codes... questions coming once I have a little time to synthesize thoughts & observations

I can help you on the spring codes for the front and the color code stripe for the rear.

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Originally posted by Charley Maule:
Visited paint shop today. They have sprayed up samples of the different blues for me to check out...

The current thinking on planned approach is:

2) Pinstripes also based on the Marina Blue enamel; but tinted a little lighter such that the mix more closely resembles the Ditzler #13402 (Dupont #9331-LH);

Yes, the pinstripe in DuPont is 9331-LH...more to come on that
 
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Originally posted by Charley Maule:
Mike, thanks. I got a repop a few months back from Corvette Central, photo a couple pages back at: 396 Dipstick & tube

Seems to me a very nice repro, top end looks good, but I need to double check the lettering?

Almost seems like a glut of these on the market... Ebay link pops-up several "look at me, too" leads (I quit counting at 4).

I recall you saying something about the salmon button, a while back. Never imagined (at that time) these would be offered as used original pieces... go figure

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P.S. (add-on); stay tuned... I'm in a quandry trying to wrap my head around spring codes... questions coming once I have a little time to synthesize thoughts & observations

I can help you on the spring codes for the front and the color code stripe for the rear.


 
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Originally posted by Charley Maule:
Mike, thanks. I got a repop a few months back from Corvette Central, photo a couple pages back at: 396 Dipstick & tube

Seems to me a very nice repro, top end looks good, but I need to double check the lettering?

Almost seems like a glut of these on the market... Ebay link pops-up several "look at me, too" leads (I quit counting at 4).

I recall you saying something about the salmon button, a while back. Never imagined (at that time) these would be offered as used original pieces... go figure

----------

P.S. (add-on); stay tuned... I'm in a quandry trying to wrap my head around spring codes... questions coming once I have a little time to synthesize thoughts & observations

I can help you on the spring codes for the front and the color code stripe for the rear.


 
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Mike, thank you for bringing me back to the surface. I have been taking some "deep dives" recently...

Concurrent with the saga of the (1) front springs; I have been obsessing tearing my hair out with several other points of detail...
(2) SPRING TAGS & CODING... continued below...
(3) GRILLE & RIVETS: Separate discussion ongoing at CRG (New Updates pending): http://www.camaros.org/forum/i....msg175154#msg175154
(4) STARTER SOLENOID: more to come...
(5) SPLASH SHIELD & STAPLES: more to come...
(6) Antenna (This is on the back burner while we pursue everything else above);

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Where the REAR springs are concerned: Fortunately my guys captured a photo of the original spring tag when the car was being disassembled. The yellow tag shows code BJ #3909941.

I found a reproduction of this at Camaro Central (pictured in photo mashup). The colors and codes look pretty good, and fonts not bad. Line spacing is off. But after an exhaustive search, concluded this is as good as it's going to get.

I located the Mike R. writeup on rear springs from Camaro Enthusiast (Jan. 1998). Deep in the fine print appears a comment:
"...never seen a car with both the paint dab, and the spring tag, which makes sense because it would be double identification."
So, I'm thinking I should be OK with the spring tag, based on disassembly photo below?

There is also a 2012 discussion on this topic, on the CRG site at: http://www.camaros.org/forum/i...php?topic=9739.0;all
One of the posters mentions working with Mike on previous research... The discussion seems to concur with the hypothesis of either tags or paint dabs (but not both).

Also to note, my leaf spring was originally gray in color. This is not especially clear in this close-up photo; but quite apparent in longer shots I've not posted (yet?).

If I am misinterpreting the previous findings, please advise?

....
P.S. [Sidebar] Would like to thank Michael Wilson, for tipping me off what to look for in my box of old Camaro Corral & Camaro Enthusiast (etc.) magazines. The pay dirt was at very bottom of the box! I may never have found it otherwise, 'cause I kept getting sidetracked reading the magazines! (LOL)

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The FRONT springs are a greater challenge...

I'm encountering several points of confusion. Let me frame-up the problem:

(1) AIM (s/s 3, pg. A7) front spring chart indicates tags should be BLACK ON RED.

I found what I thought was a pretty good reproduction at ECS Automotive Specialties (inset below)... But I was prompted to look into this further, and came to learn:

(2) Several references (both here and also at CRG) mention WHITE ON BLUE.

* Jeb Fink (referring here in 2013, to the Dave Sapp car) refers to it specifically... https://camaropacecars.com/eve/...281039746#3281039746
(I don't recall the body# of this car? ...but seem to remember it was +/- <10 units from my car? ...possibly built the same day! Both are L.A. #396 4-speed cars...)
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Originally posted by jebfink: When I tore into the frt subframe there was still remnants of the frt spring decal on there. They were a YK decal on blue paper with white lettering. (Emphasis added/cm)

* Tom followed this with photo examples of another white-on-blue tag... https://camaropacecars.com/eve/...941059746#8941059746
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Originally posted by Tom McGinnity: ... my Los Angeles car ... ... Blue with white letters

* Another example (at CRG): http://www.camaros.org/forum/i...39.msg71138#msg71138
* And yet another in the photo Mike posted above.

(3) We have yet another example of white-on-blue (see inset photo in attachment below), this is from my old L78 coupe that John is now building.

* Note this tag is also coded YK which adds even more confusion.
* Per the book, YK spring was used on 396 CONVERTIBLES but not on COUPES (should be YG or YJ, but not YK)?
* VIN# of the coupe indicates it was built in the last several weeks of L.A. production. So I am thinking the convertible springs must have been an assembly line improvisation? (There are several other anomalies on this car)

I always thought the car sat unusually high in front, but simply assumed that was because NO ENGINE! But even still, seemed unusually high... Now; knowing it may have been over-sprung, helps to explain?


SO... my questions are:

1) Anybody know who might be doing custom spring tags (specifically YK)?
* I have an inquiry in to ECS already, but still awaiting reply...
* They offer a few other tags in white-on-blue, but not YK code...

2) What to make of the YK tag on very-late 396 coupe?

3) Why so many examples of white-on-blue when the book says black-on-red? (Seems all of these are from L.A. cars? ...maybe that's part of the answer?)

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The FRONT springs are a greater challenge...

I'm encountering several points of confusion. Let me frame-up the problem:

(1) AIM (s/s 3, pg. A7) front spring chart indicates tags should be BLACK ON RED.

I found what I thought was a pretty good reproduction at ECS Automotive Specialties (inset below)... But I was prompted to look into this further, and came to learn:

(2) Several references (both here and also at CRG) mention WHITE ON BLUE.

* Jeb Fink (referring here in 2013, to the Dave Sapp car) refers to it specifically... https://camaropacecars.com/eve/...281039746#3281039746
(I don't recall the body# of this car? ...but seem to remember it was +/- <10 units from my car? ...possibly built the same day! Both are L.A. #396 4-speed cars...)
quote:
Originally posted by jebfink: When I tore into the frt subframe there was still remnants of the frt spring decal on there. They were a YK decal on blue paper with white lettering. (Emphasis added/cm)

* Tom followed this with photo examples of another white-on-blue tag... https://camaropacecars.com/eve/...941059746#8941059746
quote:
Originally posted by Tom McGinnity: ... my Los Angeles car ... ... Blue with white letters

* Another example (at CRG): http://www.camaros.org/forum/i...39.msg71138#msg71138
* And yet another in the photo Mike posted above.

(3) We have yet another example of white-on-blue (see inset photo in attachment below), this is from my old L78 coupe that John is now building.

* Note this tag is also coded YK which adds even more confusion.
* Per the book, YK spring was used on 396 CONVERTIBLES but not on COUPES (should be YG or YJ, but not YK)?

Probably a factory goof up. It should be YJ

* VIN# of the coupe indicates it was built in the last several weeks of L.A. production. So I am thinking the convertible springs must have been an assembly line improvisation? (There are several other anomalies on this car)

I always thought the car sat unusually high in front, but simply assumed that was because NO ENGINE! But even still, seemed unusually high... Now; knowing it may have been over-sprung, helps to explain?


SO... my questions are:

1) Anybody know who might be doing custom spring tags (specifically YK)?

I already have all the mock ups done for the spring tags. They are the correct fonts and spacing. I just need to find a print shop that is capable of making them. FYI they were made in rolls hence the serrated edge.

* I have an inquiry in to ECS already, but still awaiting reply...
* They offer a few other tags in white-on-blue, but not YK code...

2) What to make of the YK tag on very-late 396 coupe?

Factory goof up

3) Why so many examples of white-on-blue when the book says black-on-red? (Seems all of these are from L.A. cars? ...maybe that's part of the answer?)

I have seen examples from both factories with blue and white tags.
 
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Some quick updates on recent progress...

We rebuilt the grille (with correct rivets), and reinstalled last week. I used the "Aero-Rivet II Tool" obtained from Zip Corvette ( https://www.zip-corvette.com/5...o-rivet-ii-tool.html ). From 10 feet away looks much the same as before, but close-up is a huge improvement!

I mentioned before but will again mention while on the subject; Heartbeat City now offers a 'correct' 1967 RS center grill without the raised horizontal ribs. Picture on previous page:

The HBC part is at: https://www.heartbeatcitycamar...rrect-GM%23-3919060/

This lengthy saga is detailed on the CRG site at GRILL RIVETS 1967 (or '68?) ( http://www.camaros.org/forum/i...hp?topic=19309.0;all )...

 
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Front end is back together again, with riveted ball joints, and coil spring makeover following the recommendations from Phil B.

VERY VERY PLEASED how this turned out (and again a big THANK YOU to Phil)...

 
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Sometimes what started as a hobby (hahahaha)... becomes an obsession...

We now look at the STARTER SOLENOID...

I am still trying to confirm correct part numbers... But, after many hours poring over discussion on the CRG forum, I'm coming to the conclusion that part #1114356 is the "most correct" of possible candidates also including #1114344 and #1114362...

Not being yet 100% certain... I found one of each...

 
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The black DELCO REMY cap is correct, brown cap is a rebuilder part (as you probably know)...

PRESTO CHANGEO... i can always switch back if the alternate part# is later confirmed...

 
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This week; we'll be starting on refinishing the trunk. The paint was developed by Larry Christensen and obtained from his old shop in Colorado.

I'll be adding more info. very soon about the completed DOOR MIRROR (need photos of finished work!).

Also in the near future, will also be replacing the control arm flaps & staples with better quality reproductions. Very apprehensive about this but feel like it has to be done... Wish us luck!!!
 
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Please keep us posted on the trunk. That is a difficult one to get right for 67.


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Lots of updates coming, but a burning question in the meantime. Removed (with great trepidation) the wheelhouse flaps yesterday. I say that with reservation, knowing it will be a most royal P.I.T.A. to install the replacement pieces. But hopefully worthwhile (you'll likely see several issues here)...

 
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