Couple things I know in case anyone watching doesn't quite understand what the perceived dilemma is.

I learned long ago that bright white fades to a browner white.. this was the main twist in special paint pacecars and if they were ever brighter white.. they all faded to an antique white and threw everyone off in my opinion.

BLUE fades darker in most conditions.. The blue vinyl of the seats gets dark as it gets old.. the dash pads a little bit too.. but the thing to grasp is that GM wanted the lower area of the cars gut to be Darker by design. they wanted the dash board face and the seats and the door panels to stand out. They made efforts to darken the lower area ( where everyones feet are) to make the interior more appealing and also less dirty looking in regular use cars.. this included the seat belts, the carpet and the kick panels... this is the reason that the lower carpet and associated welting is darker on the door panels.. to match the purpose darkerning of the lower gut

I recently tried to match the exterior paint of a Marina Blue Camaro and the whole car has faded DARKER than the original formula for Marina Blue.. I think the silvers and other pigments in materials fade away in UV light and that makes some colors lighter and other darker.. white looses white but leaved behind brown.. blue looses its white and silvers and get darker blue.. But black looses its black and then becomes lighter and sometimes almost gray..crazy

Thanks Tom for the additional inputs. There are 2 aspects of your comment where I can chime in; 1) Blue fading darker- particularly true with the seats- my last picture above illustrates this. The sample swatch in the picture is exquisite in-hand, and I'm convinced it is correct. 2) Effects of silver pigment in exposed paint, again right on (as usual)... living in Arizona, this is a great place to see what silver paint looks like after 10-20 (or more) years sitting in the sun.

By the way--- Mike Rossi & I had long conversation earlier this week & have been sending pictures back & forth. I made a totally unexpected discovery earlier this week that (if corroborated) may put a different spin on the carpet question. Not posting up anything yet until I can get some 'peer review' feedback offline. Tom; separately I will Email you the same pictures Mike & I have been looking at; would like to get your additional feedback....... charley

Guys:

My intention, once things are hashed out, is to approach Knoch with a number of names and contact info for guys that are looking to have the "correct" interior items made. Then it's not just me calling or sitting in his office telling him the items are wrong. With names and numbers he may be more interested if he see's the potential $$$ by doing it better.

Mike

Thanks Mike!!

My friend George Olson ( not a Pacecar guy but a triple blue L78 ) just had his original redone.. they clearly have the right color! and the ends look thin enough for the moldings to fit proper.. This may be a " case closed " for the dash pads!

I am sending two metal substrates next week. One for me and one for Chris Piscitello. Looking good!

Nobody to thank but MIKE ROSSI for fighting this fight

Please not the small sliver of original dash sitting on the bottom lip for comparison

Thin ends it looks like

Glad to know that Knoch is doing it right!!! Now if I can just get a phone call back from them about my carpet and sitting down with them about the pace car carpet and door panels!!!

Mike

Chris P speaks with Melanie??

I will try with her next week. Elliot is MIA.

Tom,

If you are going to have to call before sending out the substrates for your pads that you and Chris need ask for Elliot. Inquire with him about the status on the "correct" carpet kits and door panels for the '67 pace car. Maybe if he starts getting phone calls on these items it will light a fire under him.

Mike

Tom,

Also...if you speak with Chris see if he would mind calling. Maybe that will get Knoch and his team motivated. Sorry, just a bit frustrated...leaving messages and no returned calls.

Mike

Knoch is going to start responding when the orders start coming in I bet.. I'm working that

Got mine.. could not be happier

Three originals so you can see the spectrum of change and fade

Bump for a fellow to find this thread