I sat with my original owner.. His son and my wife were there. The Dad and Son both agreed whole heartedly that they were disappointed that the Earl Shieb ( under $100.00 paint job) was not the same color as the car. These guys did not know why because they knew nothing of the Special Paint but suffice to say they both confirmed the disappointing moment when they went to get the car back from the paint place... Now: If this car was in fact brighter at one point it has surely faded to yellow a little. If the Earl Sheib Ermine is correct in shade ( thats asking a lot to assume that) then we have an issue for sure.

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Here's a transcript of why I believe the paint that was used on the FESTIVAL CARS was Fleet
White.

This was taken from both Tape Interview and written notes.


Alan Conner, Assistant Organizational Manager May 1967 ( July 2005 )

Tony,

I'm not sure I'd be 100% convinced from an interview dealing about something 40 years back. Our manager and several I've dealt with over the years don't typically get involved on the technical level (at least down to the minutest technical details) and often can make misleading/non-factual statements. We'll, I can do the same thing myself on ocassion...

If they wanted bright white the technical guys/painters could have figured out how to buff Ermine to acheive these results... This doesn't work if they wanted all the fleet to look te exact same color though...

I'm sure Mr. Conner is an awesome guy and wish I could chat with him about pacers and the C-4 "zone" blue toppers, but without paperwork I'm still on the fence....

Awesome topic/research everyone!!!

Tom,

Your 0-1 04A #78 pics (both of them) sure do tend to support a Lacquer Ermine white, huh?

To the boys on the fence!


You should consider getting down on one side or the other....Your bound to get a splitter in your butt!

Alan.... Didn't have a BlueTopper. He had a White Top car.

I'm not the one trying to redefine what we already know is true!
There is no other examples...ANYWHERE! for what has been reported to have ever happened before...maybe even since to my knowledge.
As I said before, you either believe who was there or you allow for a recreation of established facts to now govern an age old discussion amongst Pace Car owners.....If have seen it reported wrong time after time...... If you believe it's right, then you should go with it...that's my advice.

But!!!!

If you find it hard to swallow the pill of re-defining everything we know to be true and the logic that would stand behind what it supports...then a simple answer from someone who was there just...might be right!
If you guys could understand that the fleet white not only gives off the Brightest appearance,it also glows a bluish tint! This coupled with the Bright Blue interiors, the blue body pin and nose, capped off with the Door decals...would of been the most stunning way to offer a White car dressed up with blue trim to anyone alive back then!

I never really thought I would take the John Locke roll in this LOST mystery in time but in this case....I faith that what was shared with me was the way it was done!

No wonder Chevrolet asked all assignees of this great Pace Cars to leave their tops down as much as possible!!!

Tom,
You are looking at the color in photo 2. How close to true color of what is posted to the actual car? Is this a good color representation of what is actually there?

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Tony,

I'm not sure I'd be 100% convinced from an interview dealing about something 40 years back.

You don't have to be!

You just have to select the little pill you want to swallow!

There is so much more than just the words of a one of the guys that worked this program!

Go back, as Phil has said for everyone to do and reread everything on this topic...... I'm not the one trying to make a round peg fit the square hole.
We have been all over the place on this one......

I shared this info three years ago and I'm sharing it again....nothing has changed..... I completely support Phil and his efforts on everything he has shared with us or with me on a PM level.... I just don't buy it!
That doesn't mean there is some split in our camp or anything along those lines..... I accepted a long time ago that we were going to agree on this and I was fine with it as I know he is as well!
I'm a bit concerned on our roll as a group if this theory isn't looked at from my side of the Island....This color thing has effected this hobby too long in a negative way!

Checking in on the thread. I will be posting tonight.

You guys are the best!

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I'm a bit concerned on our roll as a group if this theory isn't looked at from my side of the Island....This color thing has effected this hobby too long in a negative way!

Tony,

I agree with everything that you and Phil have been saying....

It appears to me this won't be the end of this topic till we see an official GM document from area 51 concerning the paint code, type, and process.

Tony, for what it's worth I would have to agree with fleet white as the paint used on the Pace cars. On my 0-1 pace car which has it's original paint job, there are a number of hidden untouched areas where the white paint is as bright as day one. It just makes sense that GM would want all the vehicles at the race to have the same paint color. Bob T

It seems there are still a few key pieces of the puzzle still missing to see the whole picture clearly. The one sure thing that we have are a few Pace Cars with their original paint still on the cars to compare and study from. We just need to figure out what GM meant when they used the "O" code and see it in documentation form. I love the whole thread that Phil did and the work he put into it. Phil you deserve the member of the month award on this one. Good Job!

Rick. It does strongly suggest an Ermine.. But the Earl Sheib Ermine is WAY more antiqued and 10 years younger.. another of many X-factors that are very difficult to incorporate.
Steve. I would say that the all colors represented in these photos are more dull than what my eye sees. There is no decribing how minty smooth and glossy the little bit under the door handle is.. Its show car sweet.. I should bring this door back to Carlisle for you to see. I have tons of space in the trailer.

Whats odd though? These paint samples are WAY WAY WAY more yellowed than the windshield pillar of my C-1.......... THIS is exactly what I am talking about as an example of old paint changing thoroughly in time.. How do I know ( looking at my posted pictures) that my O-1 wasn't bright white paint that ALSO was super buffed but has now faded to yellow? How can I know this without a time machine... especially when I throw in the C-1 X factor of the windshield pillar... As I patiently wait to fall to one side of the fence ,The fence is holding me up it would seem...

Phil. What other guys have confirmed the enamel of their O3C's?

3 so far - all enamel.

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Tony, for what it's worth I would have to agree with fleet white as the paint used on the Pace cars. On my 0-1 pace car which has it's original paint job, there are a number of hidden untouched areas where the white paint is as bright as day one. It just makes sense that GM would want all the vehicles at the race to have the same paint color. Bob T

Bob,

Take some lacquer thinner to those areas and let us know if it starts taking off the paint on the rag. Have you tried this? If it does you have lacquer....

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Bob,

Take some lacquer thinner to those areas and let us know if it starts taking off the paint on the rag. Have you tried this? If it does you have lacquer....

Rick Hexemer

His car is an 04A car if I remember right..it will be lacquer....
Remember!...I agree that the 03C cars are enamel and everything after is lacquer...just not for the reasoning that was given! To me...this was proof that the Continuity concerns that were shared with me about the colors was dealt with in the highest regard!

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!...I agree that the 03C cars are enamel and everything after is lacquer...just not for the reasoning that was given!

Just what was the reasoning again?