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All great theories and vetting this car like Congress is vetting Sotomayor is the right thing to do...

For me.. this car is gonna be huge! I am dreaming that its gonna prove a batch of em existed.. I hope

Doug will get a better pic and a crank and cam number in time I bet


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I am dreaming that its gonna prove a batch of em existed..


If it matters..... Everything that I've learned about this program would suggest that it's very likely a handful of these cars were produced!

One of the original plans for the 1967 Pace Car Program was to debut the L78 Option in the Camaro.... as we all know,that didn't happen..however # 90 and # 92 prove they were made first but as history has it ( A whole other story ) they were delivered with L34s... A standard RPO that could be order in less than 90 days.

This program had the blessings of Chevrolet and GM brass going all the way to the top! To me.... it would be a gross over site if Chevrolet didn't duplicate the power teams for the Pace Car!
However, just like so many things we have found to be true with this program, this one, like almost all the rest will take some time to digest and then finally prove!

If anyone doubts what the power of BRASS and it's wants can get pushed through....all I have to remind anyone is there is 1968 Z28 Convertible! Wink
 
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Proof that the White Whale was considered!!

NOTE THE DATES!!!!!!! Do they look familiar? Wink

 
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I was told of some sort of reference to it being canceled on or around April 6 1967..... I did not see it any where....
 
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Is this related???????????????

 
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And could this be the final result??

 
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Hi,guys. I'll add my 2 cents into the mix on this. There were some odd dated blocks used in cars on occasion,back then. Some of you will remember the one that I found while searching for a replacement for my car. (I was outbid) Frowner It had an assembly code of T0405MQ. (It would have been used in a 4P coded L78) The block number had been milled off (neatly, looked factory),and stamped with the 406 number. The casting number was E-10-6. I think that that was too early for a 406 block. It must have started as a 961,or more likely a 962 block. It must have been an up-graded casting,or an engineering engine that was later used. A mystery for sure! Don't rule anything out,yet! Smiler

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I just love this odd ball stuff.


That's what it's all about!....

I would think anything that was printed in an Assembly manual would of been the result of.. A NEED!

Just as the March 23 stamp date is interesting so is the fact that March 23 in 1967 was a Thurday...the the second to last day of a 03C build Pace Car that may have already been destined to be an L34!
 
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Is it possible they wrote the assembly manual based on the results of fitting an actual L34 to a 67 Camaro? Also based on some other data we have on hand it is POSSIBLE there is in fact more than one of these L34 cars in existance and in our registry. Sorry to say and not divulge what point it is that looks like it is POSSIBLE at this stage. More later POSSIBLY !!!!!
 
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Here are some more photos of the block casting date.

 
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And another.

 
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Wow, I need a better camera. mine won't do that that close.

Thanks big guy. Cheers
 
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Here are some more photos of the block casting date.

It definitely looks like a "6" to me, but it looks like someone tried to hammer part of the lower end of the "6" down to look like a "7".
It is round on top though. No doubting that.
Great shot Doug!!
 
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I'll admit to not seeing a 7 any clearer than a 6 in THESE shots but whats the significance? I doubt a block would sit over a year unbuilt although its not impossible especially if it was a slow seller etc. BUT Dougs owned this car WAY before anyone gave two sh*&^s about casting dates and the like...

The heads are cast D 1 7 & C 30 7
The intake C 13 7

The block makes all the sense in A7

Also: people don't go through such pains to gaff a car to the extreme of NOT MAKING SENSE and I know of nobody banging VINs nearly 30 years ago...certainly not this sweet.For a car thats looked like this!


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Doug if you don't mind could you tell us what you paid ballpark for the car and the year and month...You don't still have the Hemmings ad do you?


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Something I found interesting in all this was the decending order of the Turbo 400 trans tags.

Doug's earlier built 04A
-10370
My late built 04A
-10153
And the tag Tom D mentioned 05D
-9981

Don't the numbers usually go up?

220,906 built with only 1453 with the turbo 400 = 0.65%!


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With so few built maybe they piled them into the corner on pallets and removed them " first in, last out"

Nice consistency there Mike. good job


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I'll spend some time mulling all this over and asking my own questions of some dudes.. In the meantime I would suggest that the negatives be listed and set aside until a negative is proven. We'd need to solve the date stamp issue before passing judgement or even going any further for sure and of course there are no death knells with on older block... A newer block well ok

Lets not forget we are looking through a narrow slice to the past and I for one feel this is going to open a big can of tasty delicious worms for all the guys that prefer to believe the past printed word and easyspeak of others..

I for one hope this car proved to be something amazing like the display car destined for AJ but so famously refused... something along those lines..

I cannot dismiss the obvious... that Dougs low key and a straight shooter... zero reason for him to have another adgenda.. especially with the car sold to him as thought a 325 hp.

It only takes one drop of black to ruin a whole gallon of white... The cars white: lets keep it that way


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I will chime in more later... in short there is one really easy way to tell if the stamping is ligit and that is deck height analysis.

deck height analysis is a precise measurement from a known point on the block with an established and known measurement distance for factory broach milling contact depth on the top of the pad where the suffix is stamped.

It is really that simple.

The debate around "what Chevrolet did, did not, what can be proven or not, and when" is kind of interesting today but 40 years on as the historical detail indicates, that what records exist from that period do tell a quite a bit. Enough in fact to draw the conclusion that record keeping in 1967 by Chevrolet was flagging at best.


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I was told of some sort of reference to it being canceled on or around April 6 1967..... I did not see it any where....


You have to read between the lines to see when they canceled the L34 option. It all has to do with the cancellation of the round radius rod on the L48 and a change to the L35. They had to change RPO 4D on the L35 because they were still producing the L35 after 4/6/1967. They did not have to change the L34 option for the radius rod because they were not producing it after 4/6/1967.

The only cars that you should have been able to get a rear radius rod on after 4/8/1967. Does anybody know of any 04B or later cars that had the 4P option and came with a rear radius rod?

 
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