I HAVE A 67 CAMARO CONVERT. THAT HAS A L181A TRIM TAG AND A BUILD DATE OF 05D. COULD THIS POSSIBLY BE A REPLICA RS ONLY PACE CAR?

Dave , welcome to the group its great to have you here.

We have learned from early on that many parts of the Pace Cars production do not always fit the normal 67 Camaro production basics or normal practices. From this we have learned to question with an open mind new things which may come to us and try to understand how or why things were done.....

In the past small simple pieces of information which at the time seemed irrelevant , over time have proven to be vital pieces of the clues which have given us very good answers to our questions. Perhaps we are about to learn some more....

To say the least an RS only pace car is very unusual and not part of what we know as the usual mould of the 0-1 GM Commitment 67 RS SS Indy Pace Cars which were all essentially identical cars with identical options.

Over time we have learned about the various 0-1 dealer cars and the C-1 cars which can all be optioned differently and do not fit our mould of the 0-1 GM Commitment cars.

From what you say the trim tag does appear to have the LA pace car fleetcode of L181A on it.

Could you please take photos of the trim tag and post for us?

Can you also tell us any history you know of the car? Are you able to contact previous owners , are there any vintage pics of the car? Is the selling dealer of this car known? Have you contacted them or any previous owners to try to find out about the car?

FYI - There is a vintage pic which we refer to as the Artemis Image which has an RS only pace car in a photo with all of the other "normal" (for want of a better word?) pace cars at the Indy 500.

I am sure there is also another member here somewhere (cant remember his user name - does anyone remember? ) who also has an RS only pace car. If my memory is correct this car was a Norwood car?

I personally dont know how or why we have RS only pace cars instead of the typical RS SS pace car which we think is the normal?

The build date of your car is 5th week of May and the Indy 500 was 30th May , this in itself is also very interesting.

Would it also be right in saying any cars which were at the race were Norwood only cars? If that is the case the RS only pace car in with the other pace cars would be a Norwood car?

We dont fully understand the L181A or the other pace car fleet codes from the Norwood built cars. Is it possible the fleet codes mean something other than the Pace Car build group?

Is it possible this car was a give away prize for promotion over the Indy 500 period?

This should be an interesting discussion from which we may all learn something from.

Dave ,

Does your car retain its original born with running gear?

If so what is the assembly date of the engine?

I am curious as to how close to the Indy of 30th May 1967.

Check this older post for some discussion regarding RS only pace cars , but keep reading and you will understand to some degree the fleet code which your car has. (L181A)

Woops forgot the link....

http://camaropacecars.com/eve/...390076235#2390076235

Geoff,
I went back and looked at my original pictures of the Sears give away car. It was a RS 327 and the trim tag looks to be an 04C - hard to read. Also had hub caps and not ralley wheels and standard interior. A Norwood car.
Larry

327............. Post or inbox pics of your Cowl Tag to one of us....
A Van Nuys RS only Pacer is something I've never seen before but before this group started...... everyone used to say the same thing about all possible RS only Pacers!! ;-)

Thank's for all the information.

I'm in the process of taking photos of the car, trim tag and serial number.

This car came from newmexico and was purchased from a couple in california in 1985 and taken to salt lake.
I purchased the car from a guy here slc in 2004 0r 2005.
I have checked all the drive train and evreything was within a couple weeks of the build except the motor was aprox. three and a half weeks prior.
the trim tag as follows,

O5D 0116
st 67-12667 2068
tr 732-Z C-1
y?orW? 2MC 3L
-L181A

serial#124677L158700

I'll get back to you soon

THE TRIM TAG ALSO HAS LOS STAMPED IN IT.

Welcome 327

I have two L181A cars.

I cant wait to see some pictures and pictures of trim tag.

AWESOME !!

I'm having clarity issues with this trim tag. As soon as I get it resolved I will post all the pictures.
Congrats on your 2 L181A cars. I assume their 396 cars?

geoff,
In your post you mentioned my car was made in the 5th week of may, isn't 05D the 4th week in may?

thank's

Maybe those Aussie's have an extra week in their months, up here in the states we only have four.

He no doubt meant to type 4th week.

Welcome to the site!

Dave ,

Yes apologies I didnt realise you only got four weeks....LOL

Mike - How many beers do you get in a case over there?

We get 45 here.... LOL Yeah right I wish.

My bad I did mean the fourth week

Darned aussie math!!!!

Hell Geoff,

You had me convinced that there was a 5th week in the auto industry.
after the 28th day I assumed the remainder days were considered the 5th week.
I better use common sense and go back to what I learned about assuming.
Good thing my tag didn't say 05E

I will send pictures today.

Thank's to everyone.
You have been very nice and patient.

Not to be the party popper here but I want to remind all of one of basic guidelines of our little community here as stated on the sites home page:

.. Due to the proliferations of clones and "made-up" cars along with the availability of tools to make certain items look original we do not offer any form of authenticity thru this site. However, we do have a very active forum board with many members who are eager to assist and answer any questions you may have .....

I only bring this up as this is a great conversation and I LOVE the chase however at the end of the day there will be no "this car is proved to be XXXX and the Camaro Pace Car website concurs." declaration.

Some very focused pictures would move this thread along very nicely. I have my fingers crossed that this car is what you say it is.. I love different things and anomalies..

Bills right though... Filling out the medallion sheets and having a participation medallion would be the extent of our validations

I personally feel that assuming this car IS a pacecar replica it was made for a very interesting reason.. ie. a give-a-way out the West Coast way we know nothing about at this point... a GM guy or a press guy that maybe drove the car out to Indy... something fun like that..

I would chase the owner history down with great vigor if I were you

I just sent some pictures to geoff.

Thanks,

Dave

Bill B,

I didn't purchase this car as an indy pace car so don't be to concerned about being the party pooper.
I was at a car show a few years ago and a guy named John thomas,(mr camaro in utah) brought it to my attention that my car was a l181a car and he would be interested in buying it.
His interest sparked mine and thats why I have been trying to find out what it is.
It would seam kind of odd that someone would try to falsify an indy pace car with the car being the least likley candidate, an rs only pace car. why not add a 4p?

I have a real 69 gto judge and I have to say I can see where you are coming from. Alot judge clones.

If nothing comes out of this I can at least say I met some great guys.

thank's

Party Pooper....

Dave was advised of the fact that we did not verify pace cars in earlier emails prior to joining the forum.

I for one am very keen to try to find out more about what seems like an RS only car from LOS , for why it exists is the puzzle.

Larry can you post the pic of the car you refer to?

Here is a pic of Daves car

She sure looks sweet.

Try to chase down any previous information , dealer etc you can may assist your research

My feeling is...... If it was made in Norwood it could be made in LA...... We were given a possible and plausible reason for it be made in Norwood.... It should apply in LA as well! However...pics of the Trim Tag and VIN need to be seen!! ;-)

It is a nice looking car and correct we do not authenticate cars we are VERY open to any new thoughts and cars that might help explain how they evolved from the concept of being involved with the Indy 500.

I completley understand that you don't authenicate cars and all I"m trying to do is figure out why this car has a the Indy car fleet #L181A, C-1 paint code and all the correct interior colors including the Possibility of being the correct build date 05D

When I checked into your site I looked at the owners cars and discovered that there was an indy pace car rs only. This blew me away thinking that my car possibly could be associated in one way or another. If they built one why not two?-or

I've waisted everyones time enough and this weeked I'm going to get proper photos of all the numbers on the car and try to make some headway with the dealer in new mexico where this car came from. So far they have been somewhat hesitant to help. They have been around since 1908

Does anyone know a good way to approach this issue with dealers?
Also can someone tell me where the SN. under the wiper cowl is hidden and does the cowl have to come off to see it?

THANK'S