I am currently researching 67 Pace Car trunk floor holes. I am attempting to find the reason these holes were in the cars and what was fitted to the cars. Im not realy talking about 40 yo normal rust holes either... It seems there may be several types of holes found in the trunk floors from near new. Some that I have received photos of are near the cocktail shakers and penetrate through both sections of metal. Others are reportedly in the forward center sections of the trunk floor. If you own a car which has these holes or others for that matter , please let me know. Also if you know of anyone who has them or says they had them before they restored their car. If you have an theories of why the holes exist , I would also like to hear from you. If you like you can PM me your ideas or the pics if you prefer to keep them private. With everyones positive input here I am sure we can find some answers to quesions. Thanks in advance

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Sorry Geoff, I know it is a serious thread but just could not stop myself.

Not sure but do I remember that Charleys 92 has holes in the trunk floor for the motorola radio equipment? The antenna was mounted to the left fender but back then the equipment was large.. the head would have been mounted under dash but the bigger control box recieved thing-a ma-bob would have been in the trunk... I find it obvious that any car used at the track would need communication and might very well have received the exact same or simular treatment

I believe you are right about #92's trunk. I think Jim or Matt have pictures of the holes.

It seems so far I have received proof of two cars which have what appears to be identical trunk floor holes towards the rear of the cars. This is backed up by both car owners producing photos and as I understand it both cars still have these holes in the floors to this day. So as to not skew any potential results which may be uncovered I will withhold these photos until we find some more. What they were for at this stage still remains a mystery. I have heard rumours of two more cars which may have had holes in the trunk floors , but to date have not heard from the owners as to the locations of the holes or any photos. I am curiour as to the holes in Charlies #92. Does anyone else have any holes in their trunk floors? I am more than happy to receive PM's by which we can discuss anything you may have found no matter how irrelevant it may seem. I am also keen to hear from people who may have suggestions as to what purpose the holes may have served. I like the radio idea , but didnt only #90 & # 92 have them as was seen by the short antennas on those two cars?

Geoff,

Do not forget that at least one car, probably more, had wholes in the trunk for the camera mounting reinforcement supports.

PM Charley AND the Clary Bros together and have them look. Nice guys: will both do it for sure!
When you divulge the locations I will surely recheck #78 in the spots where it rotted straight through.. Lower pan pretty Swiss

# 92 has no holes in the trunk.

Tom and Charlie,
I looked at a series of pictures I had taken about 1987 when #92 was in the basement of the Indy Museum. The mat covered the area in front of the cocktail shaker. Looking at the flag holders, I can see how they clamped to the face of the bumper but what do they bolt to underneath?
Larry

Thanks Charley... so in loose terms that would mean the radio equipment didn't require trunk holes... sorta starts pointing back to either the parade trailering or the thin on facts ballon race..

Move car seems to have had all confined to the hood and back seat although I am vague on how movie cameras and audio tape recorders were powered in a 12 v car? Converters in the trunk... 110-120v batteries in the trunk?

Larry just under the tail panel pinch weld.. not intrusive to the trunk at all and even those If I remember incorrectly again aren't even fastened?

I think Phil has a photo of the hole pattern in the floor of 1975? I believe it must be different than what you are describing as it was in the lower pan. The roller I owned did not have holes in the floors that I recall but did have pig tails attached to the rear wire harness.

Same Harness mods on our car. Trailer towing modifications for sure.

Tom - Thanks for the insight on the underside flag bracket attachment.
Larry

Wow! That can really help piece stuff together..

Pat , Thanks for the pic of the altered wiring harness. Any other holes in the trunk floor? Should be visible from inside the trunk. Phil , are you able to show us pics of the holes in your trunk floor or that of 1975? Or can you describe the location of the holes? Do you also have any pics of the altered wiring harness? Is the pic Pat provided , the only alteration to the wiring harnesses? I am interested to hear your thoughts about the trailers modifications. Which trailers are we talking about?

I like where this is headed.. There were only a few Camaros that were used to pull the trailers in the parade with the vintage race cars on them.. This wiring thing could certainly narrow down who's it was

Camaros can be potentially altered a few ways.

The actual Pacers radios, flags and grab handles.
The trailer pullers with harness modifications and maybe original bumper damage seeing as how those U-Haul style hitches were primitive

The Movie car: gotta have u-bolt damage under the radiator support bars!

Theres a good chance the balloon race people did things

( I had previously thought my #78 did something odd, it had those iron bars welded to the axle tubes so says the original owner and the ultimate demise of the original rear axle. It had 1/4 panel damage as noted on the sales receipt. The original owner quoted the dealership service manager directly to my wife & myself that after they cut the bars out of the rear that the reason was that the car was swaying to much around the turns... I dismissed this because I though they made that up and didn't realize it was towing a heavy trailer... the truth is.. I have no clue.. but something happened interesting)

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This wiring thing could certainly narrow down who's it was

It sure will if we just stick to the guys that have both holes in their trunks and harness mods.
If I remember right, the first time we discussed this topic a bunch of owners had altered rear light harnesses including my car.

But still no new pics? I have been away for the weekend and will look at my harness early next week

I super double checked my original rear harness. Except for a generic replacement bulb socket replacement on one of the 4 positions its original and unaltered

I found the photo, I scanned it and it shows the hole you guys are talking about. This photo is from our car.

Original rear tail light harness from our car.

Wow.. same!
I'm not familiar with those.. I'm familiar with Scotch-loks.. probably the same but modern.. they crimp over and cut into an existing line.. just like these but these you cannot really tell how they cut into the line...

this is STRONG evidence for trailering.. we need to zero in on what route the wiring took for the parade trailers!? Out from the tunk lid would be the death knell to prove these cars did just that

Phil.. what the hell is that first picture of!

A scan of an old 35mm Photo of one of two holes located in the trunk area of our car about 5 inches forward of the cocktail shakers. It was strange so I took a photo of it some 15 years ago....never imagined that anyone would care about them now... But here we are talking trailer hitches