I am not sure if many of you know or not , but a few years ago one of our core research members produced a CD video of the 67 Indy Pace car as well as the event. Some of this covered the event and some of it covered the car , some of it was never before seen footage. David spent a lot of his time putting together a great video for the enjoyment of a lot of people. Heck even some folk at Carlise the year it was produced even tried to steal it...LOL Trust me you had to be there. Where I am going with this is that recently one of our relatively new members was perusing the video and found quite a few things which were of particualr interest to his car. At this point I would like to hand over to Larry Klein for him to explain more of what he discovered , as well we will explain some more of what we discovered as a result of Larry digging a little into the history of his car, this is typical of the story of how some little insignificant pieces of information we obtain at the time means nothing , but it also shows how over time how all the pieces come together to solve many of the mysteries. Please understand that there is nothing proven at this early stage of the research , but it is quite probably all the clues will form together to solve yet another 67 IPC mystery. I would encourage any other individuals to participate in this debate as this is often how we solve the mysteries. Larry its over to you now... Please explain what you found in the video...

Congrats Larry!!

We should consider jambing that whole video on to You Tube seeing as how we are forthcoming with things we build, buy and research anyway

I say wait until I sell the rest of the ones I still have. I can bring them to Carlisle or people can private message me if they wish to buy one. Only trying to break even on the cost of making the DVD.

Oh.. yes please do

How much $$$?

Geoff has asked me to share some of my research into the history of my Pace Car that we believe to be #116. We have sister cars that were born the same week and spent their early days joined at the hip. Our body numbers are in order and VIN #'s are 10 digits apart. It is also believed both of our cars pulled trailers with old race cars in the 500 Festival parade. I have pictures of #116 with Graham Hill riding and old race car #32 being towed (I still have impressions in my rear bumper where it apears the Uhaul hitch was clamped). One of our fellow IPC members called me and said he had found a video at one of our local Indy TV stations that had some good footage of #116. When I reviewed it the announcer introduced Graham Hill and also said the car was being driven by Clarence Cagle who was the Facilities Superintendent for the track. Clarence passed away in 2003 at the ripe age of 88 and we believe part of his family is still local.

We all would like to know the complete history of our cars and mine has a gap from the time it left the track to when it came to Anderson in about 1973. I have the history from there and I have owned the car since the mid 80's. My next step is to contact some of the Cagle Family as there also has surfaced a "Car Shipper" docement that has ties to Clarence for a 69 IPC #50 and it also has #116 written on it. My hope with the Cagle family is to find additional pictures and see if Clarence actually owned #116 and fill in my history gap.
Geoff's introduction talked about a lot of little pieces that come together at a point and help solve some of the puzzles around these cars that we all are interested in. Stay tuned and as Geoff would say "CHEERS"
Larry

Larry, I'm looking to get $15.00 plus $3.00 shipping and handling for the DVD. Private message me with address anyone interested, thanks.

Its a great video that you did Dave and I would recommend it to anyone who owns a 67 IPC or would like to know some of the facts by way of CD.

Here is a well known photo of what we believe is Larry's car # 116. It has Graham Hill riding in it. Larry there may be another angle to chase = Graham Hill. If anyone has any other photos of cars towing trailers could you all please share?

A few more of Trailering IPC's

Another

Last photo I have I think?

As Larry mentioned earlier car #116 was driven by Clarence Cagle in 67. I copied these next few 69 IPC GM documents from a forum somewhere (if you know where these came from or the owner of this 69 IPC , please let us know)and didnt think much of them until Larry and I were chatting the other day. Obviously from this there was some need to advise the Bureau of Motor Vehicle. I would also assume that there was the same procedure in 67 for the IPC's?? Anyone ever seen anything like this for 67's?

Now I am not really too sure what the above letter to BMV was about , but I would nearly bet that it was notifying them that the Indy 500 Licence Plate # 50 which is referred to here is the one which says Official Pace Car #50 on it like the one pictured below? Its not a real Indianapolis State License plate.

I believe that if this were in 67 , the Official Pace Car # 50 which wore the Official Pace Car # 50 rear license plate also wore different Blue ID numbers on the LH door below the vent window and also the back of the rear view mirror. I believe that the Blue ID numbers on car # 50 were # 116. I say this because we have been confused about the numbering system used at Indy for a long long time. What I believe happened due to so many identical cars which GM broke up into different groups as can clearly be seen in the above BMV form. Also at times I believe the rear license plates were changed from the actual Indy State License plate to either the Official Pace Car plate or the other alternative which is also shown below which is the Official 500 Festival Car plate. Obviously each group of cars would have been numbered from 1 - ? so in a lot of cases you would have two cars with the same rear number and just some minor different wording. In my opinion this is why we have known car numbers up to and beyond # 117.

The form you show above looks a lot like the special event plate authorization form used today.

Now bear in mind I am purely speculating what went on in 67 from what I believe we now have as proof of what went on in 69. On car # 116 it could have had a different Official Pace Car plate # on it for all I know??? From this photo below you can clearly see that this same car also wore Indianapolis State registration Plate # 93N (which we know was ? County)and then has the suffix 9994.

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This then leads us to a well known photo which shows many 67 IPC's on the track photo taken from the rear. This photo shows us some of the actual Indianapolis State License Plate numbers. I know they were all around the 93C 6611 range. I know that somewhere there was also a letter showing the range of numbers which were used for the registration of the cars. Just cant put my hand on the letter or the photo. Anyone?

Another GM document showing the cars info. If only we could put our hands on similar documents for the 67 IPC's. I wonder if GM still has them? I wonder if Donna Crispino has them? I wonder if John Hooper has them? I wonder does anyone have them? If anyone does could I please make a request to share them with us as when used in conjunction with the other information we have we might be able to solve some of the mysteries. Remember also that most of us here are the actual car owners and we sure would love to know the answers to the mysteries of our cars. We dont want to sell the information or anything , WONT YOU PLEASE SHARE?

These documents are what has shown me how the numbering system worked in 69. It has also possibly shown us that car # 116 in 69 was also assigned to the same person as car # 116 in 67. Here is why I believe that to be the case as well as all of the above information. If anyone knows this cars owner , or any other information or where the letters were originally published could they please let us know. On this shippers docket it shows both # 50 and also # 116 on the 69 IPC paperwork. Is it a coincidence?

Can you imagine what we could learn about the 67 IPC program if we could find this sort of paperwork , even on just one of the Official Pace Cars or even one of the Festival 500 Cars? Is it possible the 67 Paperwork is the same as was used in 69? It sure does look like it might be. But without any proof what can we prove? Obviously the Shippers document from 69 tells us a whole heap of information , also as does the assignment sheet. These must have existed for 67's you would have thought. Also check out this neat warranty paperwork from when this car was sold used and explains the warranty procedure. Man I sure do wish I had this paperwork for my car.....

Also here is the envelope this whole package of documents for the 69 IPC came in. If you do have any information wont you please share it as the original owners of these cars are dropping off rapidly and we are slowly loosing any chance of talking to original owners and also loosing any real chance of finding out the truth of what actually happened in 67 at the Indy 500 as well as the ability to identify our cars. I believe Larry Kline has certainly solved some mysteries for his car from even this information. I also believe it may explain the numbering system on our cars to some slight degree. Anyone have any input?

looks like the real deal to me...Great work Geoff.

IMO... they would have done 67 the same way.