Did anyone see this video on YouTube?
Do we know who owns it now? Nice Pacer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...qRFI&feature=related

Don't know who ownes it,but it sure sounds good! It brought 82.5 at the sale...don't know if it sold,though. The description said it "has been enhanced with a 10 bolt rear with 4:11 gears",whatever that is supposed to mean. It does have a nice looking original steering wheel! Man,I'd sure like to find one of those!!! The only nice ones I've seen are on decent cars. Andy V

The car doesn't ring any bells with me? Any VIN etc? Sounds sweet in the video

Vin looks like 7N221419 on the engine pad at their site. Pics are too small to see anything though and no TT shot.

Curious who their authorities are, a lot more than 12 made just in Pace Car colors and well all but seven of them are 4 speed. The others are heavy duty 3 speed.

Pace Car Details

Here is what they say about it on their website that Mike found.

"The month built was 05C (third week of May 1967) The VIN # is 124677N221419. The interior code is R (blue custom) and the interior style code is 12667 (buckets/console) assembly plant is NOR and fisher body # is 120965. Interior trim 732 Z and body color is C-1 with option group2 LG and group 3 SL , group 4K and group 5Y."

They do say it was made to replicate a Pace Car. It does look to be like a 375hp though, which is still very cool and rare. That would be lot of money for a Pacer clone! But is it a lot of money for a 375hp convertible?

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The final auction price was not even close to real 67 L78 ragtop money. I have seen several cars sell over the last two years including ones needing some resto work that all brought 6 figures even needing the work. Rarity wise think of it this way, there are 5 to 6 times more know 67 Z28's than there are 67 L78 ragtops, there are more ZL'1, COPOs and L89(coupes) on the road than the l78 ragtops. On the down side nobody knows how many were made, of the 1138 L78's 1000 could be convertibles but my money is on there being in the neighborhood of 70-100 total cars produced in 1967. Of those that are currently known and confirmed real 45% or so are either Pace Cars or Pace Car colors.

This Camaro had been for sale on eBay back in January of 2010. I found it in my files with the eBay AD. Here is the cowl tag for it. Also, shouldn't this Camaro technically have a Black nose stripe on it and not Blue?

Well. there we go then.. Thanks Tom. You guys are great with this stuff. Nice car. I am now curious what the dealer history situation is with this baby.. Yes. black stripe for sure..

I've always wondered how people end up with cowl tags that have the letters perfectly outlined in white like that? Am I missing something? Is it because the whole tag was originally painted white? If so, how'd just the letters get exposed? curious

Yes, The tags were painted white during production for easier viewing by line workers.

Yea. I get that part.. but how the heck does it end up looking like that tag above? I've seen this a bunch of times.. Its like the tag was white: then someone painted the firewall over with black..but how the heck do people clean the letters so perfectly of the black to expose the white? take a good look.. its really amazing and I just don't get how or why its done

I've done this many times on raised emblems, hubcaps, '57 Chevy headlight frames, etc. To remove excess paint, and expose what I needed to show.

If you don't want any scratches, you can take an old worn out nylon sock. Dip it in thinner, put your finger inside pulling it tightly, and carefully wipe over the surface you want exposed. But that takes a lot of patience. And is done for surfaces you don't want any damage to.

The easy way, if fine scratches don't matter. Like in the case of this cowl tag situation. You can use very fine sandpaper, like 400, folded over a few folds to make it very flat. Then you just lightly rub over the tops of the letters. Being careful not to hit in areas you want to stay black. Exposing the white underneath.

Looking at the bottom of the tag you can see on this one where some black was rubbed off by mistake. Near the Fisher Body name, where there are sand scratches. My guess is he tried to expose Fisher Body too, and screwed it up.

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Originally posted by Tom McGinnity:
Well. there we go then.. Thanks Tom. You guys are great with this stuff. Nice car. I am now curious what the dealer history situation is with this baby.. Yes. black stripe for sure..

Tom,
This was the only piece of dealer documentation I got off the eBay AD for this Camaro.

Excellent... well: Coming from Ohio and the plant being not far away and then it being sold used a year later by a Chevrolet Dealer makes a pretty compelling case for this car maybe being used in conjunction.. maybe this dealer displayed it as a Pacer? If I owned it I'd search that avenue extensively.. $2400.00 is cheap expecially out of a dealer.. I bet it had some real milage on it

The Black Nosed dealer ordered L-78 convertible that I owned was also sold out of Akron. It is Vin N221183 with a build date of 05C. I spoke to the original owner to ask if it had blue or black nose and pin stripes. He said black but he remembered the salesman telling him it was a special ordered Pace Car. Supposedly it was used by Bardahl oil but had no confirmation on that

Brad , what more can you tell us about the history of this car? Happy to hear even unconfirmed ideas.

Thanks

Brad's car (McDorman's now) and this car (Originally Tom Orashan's) have sequential body numbers and were both out of Akron. The car with the paperwork (Tom's) was a black noser without door stickers. I have spoken to the owner on the paperwork several times and he remembers the car quite vividly. Was used when he bought it. The dealership told him it was there dealer replica of a pace car, but not an actual pace car. It was a real rocketship which broken the frame (not sure where) twice. The current owner is also quite nice and appears to have done a nice job restoring it. I introduced the two last year so he could restore the car properly (if he choose to)...

Body number on my old L-78 is NOR120966 and yes it was sold to McDorman. I think it was part of the special GM display a number of years ago. If it was he changed the nose and stripes to blue and added the decals.

The original owner of the car is John Mazur who bought it from City Chevrolett in Akron. It was already sitting on the lot. It was sold as a Pace Car. He remembered that it had tach & guages, blue steering wheel. Black tail panel and black nose. According to him, he blew a push rod. Then turned it into a race car and raced it from 1970 - 1972. It still had the original top on the car when I bought it out of Pittsburgh. NK guage cluster. I restored it with the black nose.

Brad,

Thanks for sharing that great information abkbout your old car. I wish people would leave these cars black nosers, like they were sold. Both cars were sold from the dealerships as their pace cars although they weren't offical/proper replicas.

Tom's car was NOR120965, so I think they may have been ordered together. We he bought his (used) in 1968 from the dealer in Akron it had a dual point ignition system, headers, and some other aftermarket items and had been raced but he doesn't know who the first owner was.

I suspect both these L78's which were identical except for a rear speaker in one may have had some unique use (Chevrolet display, drag race, etc???). You mentioned special GM display and Bardahl oil perhaps for drag racing as they did have a 67 SS coupe they sponsored in 67.

Our blue topper came out of Akron also, but was an 06C 350 4-speed car which was also raced since the early 70's in the IHRA around the tri state area and perhaps since it was new. It was sold out of White-Allen Chevrolet in Dayton, who I beleive was also interested in racing back in the day.

Brad,

I made a mistake.

The car on here that was Tom Oroshan's is a 06A 4k from Akron. The car that has sequential body numbers to yours is Dave Nelson's 05C 4K. I'll check on the history on Dave's car as we have also spoken a few years ago. Also another nice guy.

Here's Tom's Cowl tag...

Here's the Protecto Plate

and here's the booklet imprint

Here's some pics that Dave Nelson sent me a few years ago. This is the one that sold and has a sequential body number with (Dave's old car)McDorman's car...

Interesting...

I have yet to see a confirmed blue nose striped car without the dash..This continues to confirm that

I do in fact think many dealers used these types of cars as " Johnny come lately " Pacers if they missed the order deadline or thought they did anyway..

I'm also very curious as to why such a huge comparative percentage of L78 convertibles are Pacecars or Pacecar themed... Gotta have to do with it being the introductory weeks of the engine