the ad read's (RALLY STRIPING IDENTICAL TO THE 500 PACE CAR) so I bet it's blue ,,,,

yep.. sorta looks too narrow, improper break at emblem position, probably blue and maybe with that Tape per Steve's information... Or maybe just a hasty paint job in their paint/collision shop?

I agree the stripe looks wrong/strange, but this could just be the poor quality/resolution of the picture.

So we indeed have an RPO Dealership Replica with door stickers and possibly a blue nose stripe! I'm a happy camper as we have identified/found a REAL one! A poor attempt I admit, but one nevertheless...

This message has been edited. Last edited by: RickDawn67,

Phil! Again, I have to say your the best!!!

Thanks for sharing this with us... This makes my work and the possible Dealership Replica list that much more worthwhile and rewarding.

quote:

the car in that ad if found today (AND PROVEN) IS a real pace car replica IT WILL ALWAYS BE !!
because of what that dealer did , it would have to be accepted as a real 1967 pace car replica ,

Let me get up there on that fence with you Brad!!!!!

So!!

What you are kind of saying, if you know it or not, is that you would be willing to pay true Pace Car money for this car if found!!!!???

Is this correct!!???

I don't think the market would support that one.

This is why it's not a replica!....

It has unique history but a replica it isn't!

At least in my book!

quote:

Where did they get the Pace Car decals?

From the parts department!

The decals were available through the parts departments of any Chevrolet dealership!

quote:

earlier in this post I asked if ANYONE ANYWHERE had proof of ANY car being modified to look like a pace car by the selling dealer ?

I misunderstood your original question...I thought you said something about selling a car that was modified to look like a Pace Car....
This car was to be given away...which is probably why the dealership went cheap!

I wonder if we have become way too liberal on the acceptance of calling any car with door decals on it a pace car replica, or a replica of a replica? I know for a fact many 67 Camaros' were used as pace cars at local Chicago tracks, but does that qualify them as pace cars? At least the pace cars this site started off discussing? Wish I could find the photo of the Mountain green 67 Camaro coupe pacing a race at the local track, back in the late racing season of 1966.

We are very nearing the point where every 67 Camaro built could be considered a pace car replica by virtue of just being a 67 Camaro. Sometime soon a distinction has to be made and reestablished that there are 1967 Camaro's that paced races, and 1967 Camaro Pace cars built by GM as pace cars and Pace car replicas. Otherwise all Mountain green Camaro's need to be considered pace car replicas. And I bet the same scenario surrounding every different color of 67 Camaro produced could be proven to have paced some race somewhere across North America.

You just can't put too much faith in to what car dealers and manufactures do to sell cars. Unless there are some docs to back it up, or at least color photos with narration from someone who was actually there and saw and touched the car, I think they are just Camaro's with door decals added, or a nose stripe added or color changed.

quote:

Originally posted by Tony ( BigBlockPace ):

quote:

the car in that ad if found today (AND PROVEN) IS a real pace car replica IT WILL ALWAYS BE !!
because of what that dealer did , it would have to be accepted as a real 1967 pace car replica ,

(quote) by tony :I misunderstood your original question...I thought you said something about selling a car that was modified to look like a Pace Car....
This car was to be given away...which is probably why the dealership went cheap!


Let me get up there on that fence with you Brad!!!!!

So!!

What you are kind of saying, if you know it or not, is that you would be willing to pay true Pace Car money for this car if found!!!!???

Is this correct!!???

I don't think the market would support that one.

This is why it's not a replica!....

It has unique history but a replica it isn't!

At least in my book!

tony I would pay real money for that car !

case in point

Don yenko chevrolet
baldwin motion chevrolet
berger chevrolet
nickey chevrolet

and whether a dealer give's a car away or sell's it or it get's stolen off the lot or however , all that matter's is the way it was presented at the dealership !!

that 67 coupe if found today and had document's and picture's to prove it would be a very rare and valuable car ,
the thing that you have to remember is that even with everyone's love of the 67 indy 500 race the love of 60's chevrolet's is WAY BIGGER ! it's the love of the car's that drive's the price and dealership modified car's such as I mentioned above are the most sought after highest priced peice's of automotive gold out there !!!!!

that's why I think stuff like this is cool !!

I would say that car if for sale in a full restored condition today would sell for big buck's if marketed correctly ,,,

and just for the record I see this as consrtuctive conversation of opinion's this is my favorite post that has ever been on here !!

I would love to have a pace car hard top. They are a beautiful car. And I know that GM made your car in full representation of the pace car. There has always been an option for a hardtop. No matter what. It was part of the pacesetter program. Not everyone wanted convertibles. How lucky you are. To have a genuine hardtop !!!!!! How many are there anyway!! Do the mathematical LOGIC. they did it in 1969, 1982 T-top-Hardtop. 1993 T-top-Hardtop.
It's your car, and it would look great as well as IN PLACE w/ decals on the door side by side with a convertible. They had variable pace cars everywhere! Do we have a picture of a hardtop at the track?
After all were talking replicas

I cleaned up the newspaper ad image a little ,

robert ? not sure who you are talking too if it is me I don't ever want pace car sticker's on my coupe , the only thing different on it from new is the stripe color and the wheel's ,
those coupe's at the track you are talking about had red interiors and red door sticker's , this newspaper ad of this 67 hallman chevrolet pace car now is cool as it can be !!! I love it !!!
thank's to whoever found it !!!!

Brad,

You kind of dodged my question......

Of course you would pay "real money" but would you actually pay pacer real money....

If you and others don't know, there are a number of these probable dealer clones sprinkled all over the scene in 1967.
They all have their true place in history....I'm the first to point that out...and will argue the point with any talking head that thinks other, but, true Pacer money is reserved for the true COPO vehicle!
The Sears Give Away car this Casino Give away Car, the 10 Blue Toppers and the Speedway Coupes and probably a handful of others, even documented, shouldn't bring the same amount of duckets that a true Pacer brings!

The market would be set by how the first one is sold................ they shouldn't get the express lane to just one more unaffordable car for the regular guy!

I think we are on the same page when it comes to what their true place in history is and even how they should be recognized and celebrated but, after seeing what has happened to the undocumented BlueToppers...... I stand on the market setting the price....not a free pass to just another over priced Chevrolet!

I have been pretty quiet here and certainly my word is not the last - however I do have some thaughts to share:

1. The Ponderosa Casino car is not even in the same type of promotional catagory as the Sears/Sprite give away car's. Why?? the Sears car was at least factory Convertable, and as such was at least a distant faximilie of the IPC's.

2.When we find the first documented Sprite car we will know more about the specific option content of these cars also

3. The Ponderosa ad clearly states that it is "Identical" to the Pace car. Lets count the the items that we can see that are not identical.

White wall tires
Whire wheel Hubcaps
Standard front end
Hardtop

SS Hood? Cannot tell
Correct striping colors? Cannot tell
Interior color? Cannot tell

This car is a cheap dealer promotion put together for a casino as a give away.

On this specific car we have zero evidence that the door decals are even the right colors or were even made by chevrolet's decal supplier Campbell Ewald.

It is neat history indeed but really opens no new research doors as it is already known that dealers did sell look alike cars and were encouraged to do so by Chevrolet.

These are the replica's of the replica's and those will be a Convertible not a hard top and will have the same basic option content as the actual replica's to comply with the Chevrolet pacesetter promotion instructions.

Pace car money???????????? Man I would hate to think so. Guys, in my mind these are just frickin' Camaros, no more no less. Yes maybe dolled up a bit to ride the coattails of the race but still just off the lot. Totally different from the dealer C-1 cars. Just because Joe Blow Dealer from Montana(wherever) slaps some decals on a car, shouldn't make it any more than the term of today, "CLONE".

Like Tony says, let the market decide.

quote:

It is neat history indeed but really opens no new research doors as it is already known that dealers did sell look alike cars and were encouraged to do so by Chevrolet.

Amen Phil!!!

quote:

1. The Ponderosa Casino car is not even in the same type of promotional catagory as the Sears/Sprite give away car's. Why?? the Sears car was at least factory Convertable, and as such was at least a distant faximilie of the IPC's.

True...at least the Sears car is a drop top......my point is it's obvious that they are two Give Away cars mocked up as pacers!

Guys...

Come on guys... we all know which cars are the genuine ones and hopefully can keep an open mind about these possible dealership attempts to sell cars and feed off the Indy fever...

The Sears 04C C-1 giveaway Camaro was a convertible, but was Not an RS or RS/SS and had a regular blue (B) interior.

As far as I'm concerned all these RPO (NON COPO) Dealership or factory cars should be considered equal till the proper documentation and history is uncovered. Yes, I'd place this Sears car above the Reno giveaway car!

Steve, your mentioning worrying that pretty soon any 1967 camaro could be considered a dealership replica. Please know that I'm ONLY focused on C-1, C-4, and C-C (pacesetter type) cars that indeed have most of the pace car attributes (if not all the COPO/Genuine pacers and replicas) except the "-". I'm keeping the criteria tight and reasonable, so no need to get worried that this is getting out of control. Controversual yes.... Out of control, No!

And I agree that any of these cars that we eventually find the documents and proof will indeed be worth much less then the COPO "-" coded genuine cars... No need to worry.... Just digging up history/facts on these cars...

quote:

Come on guys... we all know which cars are the genuine ones and hopefully can keep an open mind about these possible dealership attempts to sell cars and feed off the Indy fever...

Of course!

But the value question is being called into view here.......... Having had quite the negative experience on this topic when it comes to the over priced cars in this hobby that are being justified by there so called connection to history, I believe certain points of topics such as these, if called upon, should be clarified!

Do you not?

Tony ,
I will answer the money question , I thought about it and I WOULD PAY pace car money for that giveaway car because it would be different it has a history and it is just plain cool !
now keep in mind that this statement dosen't have much value because #1 I never have had any money #2 I probably never will have any money , so I am just saying that I think if I had the money and this car was for sale and it had all the owner history back when it was given away I would buy it !!

Brad,,

I appreciate and respect your answer....I for one wouldn't spend that kind of money on a car such as this one...... but that wasn't what I was looking for with your answer.
No arguments..... the car is most certainly cool !

hey tony !! you got any other ad print's like this ? that sprite car ? or other's
would you pm me any of those you have ??
thank's

Brad!

I've never seen the actual cars from the other Give Aways except the sears car.

I do have the adds though!

quote:

hey tony !! you got any other ad print's like this ? that sprite car ? or other's
would you pm me any of those you have ??
thank's

I have to dig out the Sprite add. Here's one I had handy.
We do not know what kind of car was actually given a way!

I personally think this is all quite out of control. If your going to consider this car wth door decals on it as a pace car , then maybe you should also include this one. It too is a hardtop , but its an RS SS and it does have Door Decals and Blue Bumble Bee. There are only two things wrong with this one its made from Dynacorns Classic Bodies and the Build date is off by about 40 years or so. But it has the Blue stripe , is an RS SS and it has door decals? Just where do we stop considering these other cars. I dont believe they should have pace car in the wording of their name that they are called at all and they shouldnt be grouped under the same group as the Pace Cars. We cant even get the real Pace Cars recognised as COPO cars even though they were ordered under the COPO system. Just my two cents worth

quote:

I personally think this is all quite out of control.

Geoff,
You will get no argument out of me.