Kelly's old car is a bit of a mystery....

A 396 04C Car with Drum Brakes! If this notion is denied, all we have to do is to point to this one vintage picture!
Although we may never no if this picture was of Kelly's old car, but what we do know is what it shows us.... NOT ALL PACE CARS came with Disc Brakes!
It is very clear that this car pictured has the Mag Hub Cap optional hub Cap. The same Cap used on the only other known picture that we have of another Company Car, the Blue Top Company car that we now know that the 10 Metro Area Zone managers received.
These 10 cars are supposed to be more or less identical to one another at least when it comes to the Blue Top, Mag Hub Cap appearance.
So, when we look at this picture blown up..... what does the guy look like leaning on the header panel.....maybe what we might expect a working Chevrolet Zone Manager to look like?!
Speculation is always interesting when it comes to the fragmented pieces of information that we have about the Company Car Program. According to one of the retired guys that I spoke to, ..."ALL OF US, CHEVROLET GUYS, LIKED THE LOOK OF THE MAG HUB CAP AND THE BLUE TOPS, BUT NOT ALL OF US GOT THEM..." Does this comment mean that if we find a replica, such as Kelly's old car, with Drum Brakes, this instantly makes the car a apart of the Company Car Program? Well!....it certainly would point us in that direction!

Here's the original picture......

On the far right, a blue nose, white top Mag Hub Cap car!

Known Blue Top Company Car

In this blow up, it is clear that this car has a white top!

Another replica sits right next to this one!

Note!

Both cars have front guards!


Kelly, By Chance do you remember if your car showed any evidence of front guards?

Was it not possible to order the disc brakes and get the mag hubcaps also? They could have even came out of the parts department. What's the thought on this?

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Was it not possible to order the disc brakes and get the mag hubcaps also?

As far as I understand it, the Disc Brake Caliper needed a certain Clearance that only the Rally Wheel allowed for in 1967.
Of course, the claim could always be made that cars such as what are pictured really came with Disc Brakes and rallies but the caps and rings were popped off to allow for the Mag Hub Cap....

I would have to see some proof for that claim!

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As far as I understand it, the Disc Brake Caliper needed a certain Clearance that only the Rally Wheel allowed for in 1967.

That's 100% correct, the rallys provided the needed clearance for the calipers.

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the claim could always be made that cars such as what are pictured really came with Disc Brakes and rallies but the caps and rings were popped off to allow for the Mag Hub Cap.

It's very possible the cars never came with the rings and centers, and the hubcaps only. In those days you could order just about anything you wanted.

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It's very possible the cars never came with the rings and centers, and the hubcaps only. In those days you could order just about anything you wanted.

Are you referring to the rally wheel?

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Are you referring to the rally wheel?

Yes, cars equipped with rally wheels, but never having centers and rings, instead being shipped with hubcaps. Have no idea if it ever happened with Camaro's but it did happen with other model of Chevy's.

I have never heard of anything like that with the Camaro.
If that could happen, my bet would be on the 1968 models and up. This is when the rally wheel (XB) came available as a wheel for Drum Brake models.

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If that could happen, my bet would be on the 1968 models and up. This is when the rally wheel (XB) came available as a wheel for Drum Brake models.

That could very easily be the way it was. Maybe Tom M. could ask his buddy with the Impala club if any full size Chevy's were built with disc brakes and full wheel covers in 67.

It would be interesting to know what was available on the the other lines. I think the Vette came standard with Disc Brakes in 1967 but I'm sure it had a number of different wheel covers.
I'm pretty sure that the 67 Camaro only came with Rallies when the Disc Brake option was ordered though!

For the record Disc brakes required an extra 1/2 inch of backspacing due to the fact that the two-piece disc rotor was thicker than a drum brake. In '67 the only Camaro rim available with 4 1/2" backspacing was the rally rim. All the other rims had 4" backspacing. That's why Rallys were mandatory with disc brakes and vice-versa.
Because the rally rims were so popular in '68 they came out with 4" backspacing rallys for drum brakes. As Tony pointed out the mag hubcaps will fit on the '67 rally just fine, only problem is the silver rims show pretty badly thru the rather large openings in the mag hubcap. For it to look right it would be best to paint the silver rally black.

Tony,

Just noticed this thread this morning. I do not recall seeing any signs of bumper guards on my old car. I will have to look through my pictures at home of the parts that I sold with the car. My '67 hardtop had guards origianlly. I think there is extra holes in the front valance if a car had factory guards. I replaced the front valance on my hardtop, but the original valance of the pace car was on the car. I will check pictures.

There is another picture of a pace car with mag caps that was taken at the Milwaukee Indy Car race in 1967. I have a magazine with the shot somewhere.

Kelly.

I just checked Camaros.org and it states that mag caps not available with J52 front disc brakes. I would say that all mag cap vehicles were non-disc cars.

N96 6330 $70.00 Wheel covers, mag-style, type A Not available with (Z28, J52(1967), JL8)

Kelly.

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There is another picture of a pace car with mag caps that was taken at the Milwaukee Indy Car race in 1967. I have a magazine with the shot somewhere.

Kelly.

I'm not sure if I've seen that particular picture but the Pace Car used for the 67 Milwaukee Mile can, most certainly, be considered a Dealer Sponsored Pace Car!
It was from Eastside Chevrolet!
Can you post the picture if you have it handy!?

Mike,

What's your thoughts on the other Chevrolet Models in 1967, do you think the same was true with the rims that were available to those models?

I guess the Vette really isn't that good of an example since it always seemed to get "VETTE ONLY" parts.

The car has D-70's so it has FC rims which are the 6 inch wide rims to accomodate the wider tread that that 7.25-14 normal proguction tire... (5 inch rim)

I think

I think that because I have retrieved trunk spares with D-70 redlines on them with FC rims painted body color like plum

There are guys out there with FC rimmed cars that have poverty hubcaps and the like that can verify if FC's fit over 4 piston discs

My cars original valance has holes! I gotta check if it had front gaurds!

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The car has D-70's so it has FC rims which are the 6 inch wide rims to accomodate the wider tread that that 7.25-14 normal proguction tire... (5 inch rim)

I think

Are you talking about the Milwaukee Car or are you able to make that out on the Company Car?

I would think if there were any "playing around" with anything standard, the Milwaukee car would have to be considered!

Tom,

Your C-1 car had holes in the valance...right?

I look at all my pics tonight but do you think this is the same day-time as the flag lot pictures we have? could this car be in that same batch and we never noticed the guards! I'll check!

I really doubt it... The Flag Lot shots that are coming to mind are of Committment Cars. However, the picture may have been taken the same day!
The Company cars seem to stand out with either Mag Hub Caps, Bumper Guards or my Favorite...the Blue Tops!

Yea. I got ya.. just with the flag lot shot not right in front of me and with it being a head on shot and that this pic has another pacer next to it.... well, you know