Tom B has a thread going right here********** about a great Pacer he found.. Yesterday he found something even better! He's got a classic case of " Glue Residue " !!!

This car has a few great anomolies like the number 3 on the firewall and the 050B fleet code.. ( which buy the way I'm thinking if Tony H is right that the fleet code starts the batch run and the hand written 3 is telling the line workers there are three to do in the batch ) But now he has gotten the rear view off and clearly the car is 20 something!.. We still have to figure out if its an 8 or a 3 but regardless... its there..
Another good puzzle piece is that this pretty much proves that the firewall 3 isn't the cars Festival number.. so the few other guys that have this number on their firewalls can forget about it being the Festival number.. which points more definitively to it being a factory applied number and not the dealer or the Track

The code and the "3"

Could all you guys please check your pictures and look for cars with visible numbers in the 20's.. Maybe Toms gonna get even luckier with a vintage picture! I think Phils car was 28? We got lots to check into here! I love this stuff

BTW the font for the 2 is spot on

The notes I have here at work say Phil has 23?If he does or has 28 that will help you narrow down

We have a picture somewhere of car 24

We think Michael Landon ( Bonanza, Little House on The Prarie ) was in car 29 or 23 hard to make out

Actually....... What I think I remember saying is that the Copo Code would have to repeat itself in batched ordered or made cars such as the 050 series.....

050 Was originally designed to full fill the Commitment to both the Festival Committee and the Speedway 10.

050A 0r 33 replicas were all delivered April 1 and the remaining 10 05B were supposed to be all delivered on April 14

These 43 replicas I believe were all made together but not all delivered as pur how we can identify them by their Cowl Tags....
The number 3 on the Firewall could place this car as the third made in the 050B group...this ashould be simple to double check by just fitting her Fisher line number in place with all the other cars we have.....
I sure wish there was a way to Archive our old threads......
If you remember I "Lined" all the 43 cars that I felt were made.... The thread was called: DOING THE MATH
If memory serves me right..there were one or two members that disagreed with the MATH because it bumped their cars out of certain claims that they used to like to make!

Awesome find!!!!! :-)

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Originally posted by Tony:

The number 3 on the Firewall could place this car as the third made in the 050B group...this should be simple to double check by just fitting her Fisher line number in place with all the other cars we have.....

Interesting! Note we only have 25 Norwood cars on our registry so far.

The first car we have with -050B on the tag,,,,,

drumroll please,,,,

Body number 92750!

Tony AS USUAL you have hit the nail on the head...

What is the best way to remove gunk or paint from my firewall to see if there are any numbers in this area without potentially removing the number if it is still there?

A friend of mine has had a decent amount of success when Bead Blasting the firewall of the cars be has been restoring.... It seems that all the Chalk markings are Burned onto the Firewall!!??
I have some wild pics somewhere of 2 different 69 Z28s he did!!! CRAZY!!!!

26 maybe???

i'm wanting to say it looks like 28, I swear I can see both circles for the inside of an eight!Hard with pics though.

Should I try using blacklight or x-ray? Anybody have any ideas?

What is the "Speedway 10" that Tony mentioned?

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The original Commitment of 43 cars were designed to be delivered to two different Traditional groups that received the Pace Car replicas year in and year out.
The first group is, of course, the Festival Committee and the second group was known as The Speedway 10.
This group was made up of the 10 Officers and Management members that worked at the Speedway.

To add to what Tony said.. It would seem that quite possibly the Speedway Cars were the trailering cars from the parade.. numbered in the 100's like 116 and 117. These cars did not have the gold Festival Medallion on the 1/4 panels and it would seem would have been at The Track the whole time for the overly simple reasoning that they needed wiring modifications, trailer hitches and had to be available on Parade day AT THE TRACK to be loaded up with vintage racers out of the Museum..

Whats till quite puzzling to me are the two angles I face with my car #78 ( and the two known cars that match, Larry Kuipers and Bob Martin).. #1 None of the cars in the 70's number range are shown in any vintage pictures.. #2 I have a first hand account from the original owner spoken to me from across the table at the airport hotel in Indianapolis 5 years ago with his son as a witness that my car had to be brought back to the dealer with a loud thunk in the rear soon to be discovered that there was an " iron bar " welded to the rear axle to " prevent the car from leaning on the track " Now taking any of that with a grain of salt it still is a fact that not so long after my rear end failed so badly that it needed to be replaced... In this case with an open diff 10 bolt.

What batch these cars would be part of eludes me

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What batch these cars would be part of eludes me

Tom..... The cars in this batch are Brass Hat cars!! These cars were available to Chevrolet and the Speedway..... So, whatever the function was..... these cars were usually available for the duty....
Keep in mind!! The first 43 (33 Festival Committee and 10 Speedway Replicas)were assigned out for "Long Term Duties" originally!! Although, there were cars in this group of 43 that were not kept by their original Assignees and were later traded in for other Chevrolet vehicles....These same cars were then added to the over loaded duties of all the Brass Hat Cars!!!

BTW!!

I think I remember seeing a possible pic of #79 somewhere!!

My head has a memory of something from the 70's too but I'd don't know if I'm dreaming or its true.. I think it might have been a fringe guy that showed up and made a number up a long time ago for his car.. Please let me know if you remember!

T.. I like that thinking about brass hat.. It's just that it doesn't help lock it down much.. If true I highly suspect no Gold 1/4 panle medallion.. But the lack of pictures is a strange one especially with the Track guys being the ones that took the most pictures!

Just complaining is all

I understand!

The Brass Hat spot is what it is!!

Commitment cars can only be broken down into the following groups

1. Festival Committee

2. Speedway 10

3. Brass Hat ( Two different orders for sure therefore 2 groupings of Numbers at least )

4. Pace Cars

5. Display Replicas

Groups 4 and 5 were handled by the Central Office people according to Welday! ;-)

Regarding the second character....I tried to look for similar glue residue ... It is tough to see, by analyzing other known mirrors, we should be able to eliminate all but one or two characters of ZERO thru NINE. The tilted residue in the upper right corner is likely the best identifier for the second character. I edited the photo identifying the glue that jumps out at me...for what it's worth. Marty

The more I look at the bottom of the second character, the more it appears as though there is residue from the 12oclock position to about the 10 oclock position on the inner circle of the character, just outside the line I drew. I have red X'd out the like to the right as there is no difinitive residue line here..just color change. This mirror is awesome.

Characters we can eliminate: 1, 2, 4, 7,
Characters to consider: 3, 5, 6, 8, 9

Question #1: Is the mark identified by the black arrow in the upper right a result of glue residue or simply a scratch? The line is tilted (leans) more to the right than the line at the bottom right of the first character 2.

Question #2: The only character that would terminate like this would be 6, right.?

Question #3: A 5 character would terminate with a more vertical line (similar to the bottom of the 2), right?

Question #4: Surely there are forensics that can pull this more clear?

Can we get some pictures of the mirror from different angles and with varying lighting? ...that would help.

Nice!

I think I see "8" ?

I need to find some original numbers to compare!